Anash Join Court Case Against Rubashkin
A number of community residents are adding their names to the Court Case as plaintiffs against Rubashkin. As details of the Court Case have been made public, many outraged residents are anxious to bring about an end to the machlokis. Since Moshe Rubashkin refuses to go to an impartial Beis Din they see the Court Case as the only method of putting an end to the current impasse.Those who are interested in adding their name to the Court Case as a plaintiff against Moshe Rubashkin are being asked to find people in most shuls collecting signatures, or they can e-mail:
courtcase1@gmail.com
posted by Raya @ Monday, May 29, 2006
48 comments
48 Comments:
I would love to add my name! How can I do it?
Maybe if enough people join the case Moshe will realize he has to go to Din Torah.
I think their should be a petition going all around Crown Heights to get every single resident to sign that they want to join a Class Action suit against Rubashkin and Company.
Binyomin:
Many people are scared to sign such a petition because they are afraid that Rubashkin and Brook will take revenge on them. If you are willing, start a petition to recall Rubashkin.
How do you add your name to intervene in defense of Moishe?
There may be issues we want to bring out against others.
I thought it was interesting that the lawyer found that the Vaad HaKahol may no longer exist in the legal books.
That would mean that Rabbi Osdoba should never have had to worry about anyone who was ever in charge of the Vaad HaKahol?
Great idea, BUT.
(to make a petition for the entire CH community will participate for one week long)
It must be worded correctly, as not to degrade Moshe R or others.
Here are some ideas: To have a two part question. Should we remove the court case against Rubashkin's Apr.30th elections or should Moshe R. quit the JCC.
I'm sure we all can come up with some more ideas, which will be clear as to a) What the CH community really wants, and b) where this should be taken to.
This can turn out to be a BIG Kiddush HaShem.
Why is everyone picking on Rubashkin?
He still maintains his position that he is not the only one but that All Vaad Hakohols all behaved the same way like he does.
Moshe has a petition 9 hundred peopel who came out to vote.
to: Moshe's Cousin
At least Moshe is admitting that he's Guilty!
But he is wrong for saying that all past Vaad members are just like him Chas V'sholom and that they all were sitting with him in Fort Dix.
Criminals like to think that everyone is a criminal and crazy people think that everyone is crazy (except them).
Great idea: let's have vote and referendum in the community whether or not we should keep the court case on or whether we should take it off and better it should be a fair election
I just downloaded and read all the court papers against Rubashkin.
Kol Hakovod to Chanina and Leibish
Chanina and Leibish both know that they have a very strong case in court but none the less they are willing to say only “Miktzas Shvocho” in court, B’Chesed Ub’Rachamim, so as not to cause any unnecessary harm to Moshe.
They say just enough to preserve Kovod Harabonim and not allow Moshe to totally destroy the Beis Din with his fake Apr 30th elections.
Referendum:
1. Vaad hakohol/JCC
a. rubashkins resignation
b. early vaad elections
c. continuing as is
2. Bais Din
a. accept rabbonim "election"
b. dont accept rabbonim election and
1. make new election as is
2. make new election after the 2 rabbonim go to zablo
If we were to make a public referendum on the Rubashkin issue, it must be just as fair as the way Rubashkin made his "Fair Elections" Apr 30th.
Rubashkin's sense of fairness in a referendum is, that the choice of "NO" is NOT an option on Rubashkin's Ballot (for all those who follow Rabbi Schwei and would have all voted "NO" against all 3 of Rubashkin's candidates.
So Rubashkin's sense of Fairness would dictate that the choice, on the ballot to the people, about himself, should be as follows:
Choice Number One:
1) Should Rubashkin be forced to resign now?
Choice Number Two:
2) Instead of resigning now, should we wait for the Judge to rule that Moshe's corruption warrants his dismissal by the court?
Choice number Three
3) If Rubashkin "changes his mind" and now agrees to go to a Zabla, should we throw him out now, anyway, because it is "too little too late" or should we allow him the opportunity to be thrown out by the likely Psak Din of Zabla?
I am sure that Rubashkin would agree that the above 3 choices are just as fair as the "Fair Choice", Rubashkin gave all of us to Vote on Apr 30th, because;
All 3 of Rubashkin’s Rabbonim Candidates were individuals disqualified by Halacha (according to Rabbi Schwei) and yet he didn't give the voters the free choice to vote "NO" to all 3 of them!
With Rabbi Schwei's Election everyone had a clear choice to vote YES or NO for the candidate - 90% of the community voted YES for Rabbi Schwei !
That was a Real Fair Election !
The electoin of 3 Rabonim to the BADATZ was the most beutiful thing, our 2 RABONIM were fighting for the last 3 years, every thing was at a dead lock, so M.R. as had of Vaad Hakohol decided to make electoins to ad up more RABONIM so that there will be a mjority in BADATZ.
What’s wrong with that?
Fischer never refused to go to a bais din of zabla. On the contrary, he is the one that demanded a bais din of zabla. The Badatz in CH refused to allow him that option.
Listen to the tape of Reb Yoel preaching that he must come only to the rabbonim of CH, since there is no other bais din in the world like the Badatz of CH.
To the, Fisherist "I told you so",
You are right that in the beginning the Badatz insisted that the case be heard by the Badatz rather than by Zabla because the opinion of the Badatz was that they are not Nogeah Bdavar.
However later on, L'Maan Hasholom, the Badatz agreed, Lifney Meshuras Hadin. to allow the case to be heard by a Beis Din of Zabla.
The case was already in court then and Fisher, just like Rubashkin, was very scared that the Attorney General shouldn't find out what a big Tzadik he was. Fisher begged (Like Rubashkin is now begging) for it to be taken out of court and in return he pledged to agree to a Zabla.
The Vaad Hakohol maintained that it was only a trick to get the court off, of Fishers head and later he will not participate or follow the Psak Din of the Zabla, (once the Pressure of the Court is off).
The Badatz agreed that the Vaad Hakohol has a right to demand that Fisher put all the disputed Millions, into an escrow account under the control of the Zabla, to be sure that the Zabla's Psak din will be enforceable, should Fisher later, back out.
FISHER REFUSED the escrow, because in truth he never wanted ANY justice, he only asked for zabla as an excuse to wiggle out of the court or to wiggle out of having to face the Badatz, but when his supposed "wish for Zabla" was granted, he turned it (the escrow) down, which resulted in the continued (RICO) court case against him, as is being done with Rubashkin now.
You can't compare the initial opinion of the Badatz that “they are not Nogeah Bedavar” in the Fisher case, with the current situation where the entire dispute is from the Right hand of the Badatz against the Left hand of the same Badataz!
Fisherist,
Do you expect Rabbi Osdoba to be presiding OVER HIS OWN CASE, which will decide if he is himself Guilty or of the charges which Rabbi Schwei has alleged against him (and Rubashkin) ? ? ?
Or do you understand that an internal dispute of one BOSS of the Badataz (Rabbi Schwei) against the other equal BOSS of the same Badatz, (Rabbi Osdoba) can only be fairly resolved by an impartial Zabla as Shulchan Aruch dictates.
The time for new referenda and petitions has passed! Moishy had four opportunities to avoid this situation (not to mention his initial decision to run for the Vaad despite his baggage and his flaky actions since getting in).
The time for discussion the technicalities and implications of his being taken to court has passed.
Now is the time to stay the course and stand with those couragious enough to put their names on the action.
Moishy is not demonstrating common sense, so the community must do so.
If you wish to add your name to the Court Case as a plaintiff against Moshe Rubashkin, please e-mail me at:
courtcase1@gmail.com
fair elections said
With Rabbi Schwei's Election everyone had a clear choice to vote YES or NO for the candidate - 90% of the community voted YES for Rabbi Schwei !
That was a Real Fair Election !
really now you dont count all the people that stayed home??
an alter said:
really now you dont count all the people that stayed home??
Alter: 1) Rav Osdoba determined what number constituted a majority of the community at that time. He determined that Rav Schwei needed 800 yes votes to be elected.
2) If you wanted to vote "no" you could in Rabbi Schwei's election. In this election you could not. So you may as well stay home. 3)Do you really trust Moshe's numbers? I don't.
In other words, the people who stayed home during Rav Schwei's election didn't care. The people who stayed home in this election included the majority of the community who protested the way this election was conducted. That's why we count them this time around.
Alter,
Even a child understands the answer to your cynical question.
The recent Apr 30th election had more than 3/4 of the community OUTRAGED, AGAINST the Elections!
The entire community was divided if it should at all take place and even if yes, when it should take place and even then who should the candidates be and who should the organizers of the election be and who should supervise it and who makes the rules regarding all of the above (certainly not, by one dictator, Rubashkin, who is a Mesurav Ledin, (refused to come to a Din Torah, when called) like Fisher!
The vast majority of the community, didn't feel that this was a Kosher Election at all, regardless of the actual number of votes, which anyone did or did not get. Even the counting was also conducted in a fraudulent manner!
This means that the majority of the community was specifically interested in Protesting AGAINST Rubashkin's "Machlokes-Election", who's intent it was, to give more power to the person who 'put up' these candidates while stepping on the other.
In the case of Rabbi Schwei's election, where Rabbi Osdoba agreed wholeheartedly to his candidacy, and the community was not divided over any issue and the ballots were not brought to everyones Kitchen Table, AND YOU COULD VOTE "NO" if you want to protest against Rabbi Schwei, (or if you had any reason at all to feel "it's not fair") still 90% said YES to Rabbi Schwei while they DID have the option to say "NO".
That's a really Fair and indisputable Election 100%!
an alter said...
fair elections said
With Rabbi Schwei's Election everyone had a clear choice to vote YES or NO for the candidate - 90% of the community voted YES for Rabbi Schwei !
That was a Real Fair Election !
really now you dont count all the people that stayed home??
This website "appears" to be very friendly to Chanina and Leibush. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be best to get a commitment from Leibush and Chanina that if Moishe and his allies leave the CHJCC, they will also agree to as well? And that the Netzgim officers shall be mixed among the Osdoba and Schvei supporters? This way, we have a more united Netzigim who will then hold new elections for a new board of directors, with NONE of the current members able to run for re-election.
And the new directors will be required to provide financial records on a regular basis according to "Generally accepted accounting principles" (known in the accounting world as GAAP) as well as being required to have written meeting minutes? What could be more fair? If Chanina and Leibush leave the matter in court, and Moishe refuses to deal, who can disagree? All the Directors can retire "honorably" as proper Chosids
Alter,
One of the most significant reason why the people who stayed home, their "Home Sitting Protest-Vote", Counts, is, (al derch,) as Rabbi Osdoba himself was heard saying, in his Shiur in Hadar Hatorah on election day, that "these elections are really like a referendum" (ad can leshonoy)
Election Day (Week) was clearly a major Showdown, between the 2 Rabbonim, where one desperately wanted everyone to "go out and vote" while the other desperately wanted everyone to "stay home and don't vote".
Every Child knows that this was exactly what the bottom line, issue was all about on Election Day:
POSHUT KEPSHUTO:
Are you going to vote as Rabbi Osdoba wants you to?
Or
Are you going to stay home as Rabbi Schwei wants you to?
It was exactly like the showdown of Eliyahu Behar Hakarmel, which took away the choice of "indifference", from all the Yidden.
Everyone who used to say, "I don't want to get involved in Machlokes", now, had no choice, you had to get involved, to show your allegiance, either to this Rav or to the Other Rav.
Their was no longer any way, anyone could say, (Kaviyochol) "I respect BOTH Rabbonim".
Rubashkin with his Machlokis Election, did a fantastic job to "force" us all and shelp everyone into this, terrible, horrible Machlokis, we all desperately try to avoid.
Everyone was "forced" to either show their 'Unwilling and Unfortunate Disrespect' for one Rav or for the Other r.l.!
If you Vote, your going "against" Rabbi Schwei and if you stay home your going "against" Rabbi Osdoba - A very Horrific Choice we all dreaded to be cornered into, by Rubashkin. We were all forced into following One Rav against the best wishes and orders of the Other.
3/4 of the eligible CH voters, willingly Chose - "to NOT Vote", - while Rubashikin walked into their private Kitchen - For an Entire Week! - trying to "force" them to vote, yet 3/4 of CH, resisted with all their might, all of Rubashkin's arm twisting tactics and efforts
Thearfore, (only in this case), staying Home and refusing to Vote was absolutely, the Ultimate Protest, of the Highest Order, against the elections.
And we paid the ultimate price for it, to be "forced" to openly defy, Rachman Litzlan, one of the two Mara Deasra's, both of whom are Abir Shebeabirim!
Thank you, so much, Moshe Rubashkin for giving us the "Zchus"!
To cast votes or to ask R' Moshe R to quit.
An idea has been talked about, as there is a slight concern regarding exposing who votes against Moshe R.
1. Every home shall recieve a card with a random number like a raffle ticket. The person then votes and give in a box or mail back.
One point which I don't see mentioned at all is- Moshe Rubashkin has clear directive from another Rav that he need not listen to the hasmanos of Rabbi Schwei. The complicated part is- that Rav was Rabbi Osdoba.
Whether Rabbi Osdoba had the right to do that is arguable, but that is not the same as "he didn't listen to three hazmanos, we go to court".
In short words: the hazmanos can be challenged in court and in an impartial Beis Din.
u think by going to cour this will stop the machlokos?
it just made more machlokos and every person that signs their name is only adding to this machlokos
we must move on and try to unite
friend said...
u think by going to court, this will stop the machlokis?
You are using your own logic, but a Yid must use Torah-Logic, especially in connection with Matan Torah.
Torah teaches us how to make peace and you don't make peace by giving land to Arabs (even if your logic says it's logical) nor by having the Tzad Hakdushe giving in to Klipa - Torah says NO to that.
Instead. Torah says that the only way to have peace is as follows:
1) If their is a dispute amongst Yidden they go to a Din Torah of Zabla.
2) When one party refuses the call to Zabla, then Torah tels us that the way to make peace is to settle it in court.
Muchie said...
This website "appears" to be very friendly to Chanina and Leibush. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be best to get a commitment from Leibush and Chanina that if Moishe and his allies leave the CHJCC, they will also agree to as well?
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Dear Muchie:
I have always been fascinated by this logic which is the same as "both Rav Schwei and Rav Osdoba should both resign since they can't make peace."
Why do you equate the two sides? Rav Schwei is willing to go to a Din Torah to resolve the differences, Rav Osdoba is not (or at least Brook and Rubashkin won't let him). Nash and Sperlin are trying to negotiate, go to Beis Din, arbitration, and finally a legal settlement in court. Rubashkin is not doing anything at all to resolve the problems,he just keeps fighting to win. Israel is willing to negotiate with the l'havdil Palestinians, the Palestinians are not- yet the world equates the two of them as both sides being unreasonable.
These are not two sides fighting. It is one side who likes to fight and the other who understands the community must live in peace and tries to negotiate. How can you equate the two? Are you honestly not seeing this point, or are you as base and dishonest as the Brook crowd?
Yaacov,
While every Rav has a right to say his opinion as he sees fit, yet everyone almost expects, that the Rav who is himself a party to the dispute will naturally tell his disciple, to do what is best for his own best interests (Leshem Shomayim of course, - For Kovod Hatorah).
Lets Analyze the Two Sides to the dispute:
The people who did the CALLING for a Din Torah did not demand that a Rav who is a Nogeah Bedavar should hear the case but on the contrary, that an impartial Beis Din of Zabla hear the case.
Sounds fair to me and to any other reasonable person.
What does the Honest and Fair Minded Opposition, say?
"We will only go to Beis Din who is a Nogeah Bedavar and who's Rav is himself being called to a Din Torah for related reasons".
Which side is right?
You figure it out yourself.
Yaacov said...
One point which I don't see mentioned at all is- Moshe Rubashkin has clear directive from another Rav that he need not listen to the hasmanos
Shmuel,
Your mistake is, Rabbi Schwei's Hazmanos call Moshe Rubashkin to Badat"z of Crown Heights - i.e. himself.
(You may be confusing the Hazmona to the three newly elected Rabbanim which mentions din torah by zabl"a.)
Without any disrespect - that is the same bias the other way around.
Yaacov said...
One point which I don't see mentioned at all is- Moshe Rubashkin has clear directive from another Rav that he need not listen to the hasmanos of Rabbi Schwei. The complicated part is- that Rav was Rabbi Osdoba.
Whether Rabbi Osdoba had the right to do that is arguable, but that is not the same as "he didn't listen to three hazmanos, we go to court".
In short words: the hazmanos can be challenged in court and in an impartial Beis Din.
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Reply:
YAAKOV:
PROBABLY YOU MEAN THE LETTER PRINTED IN ONE OF THE BOOKLETS RUBASHKIN GAVE OUT WHERE HE DID NOT PRINT ALL THE ANSWERS TO THOSE LETTERS.
YOU REFER TO THE LETTER WRITTEN BY RABBI OSDOBA TO RABBI SCHWEI WHERE HE CLAIMS THAT RUBASHKIN DOES NOT HAVE TO COME TO A DIN TORAH BECAUSE:
1. "HE DOES CHESED"
2. "NEVER HEARD OF CALLING VAAD HAKOHOL MEMBER, TO A DIN TORAH!"
RABBI SCHWEI RESPONDED THAT THOSE REASONS HAVE NO BASIS BECAUSE IF THAT IS THE CASE:
1. WE WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN ALL BOTEY DINIM AND OPEN BOTEY DINIM FOR CASES WHERE THE DEFENDANT DOES "ONLY" EVIL.
AND THE FACT IS
2. THAT RABBI OSDOBA HIMSELF SAT WITH RABBI SCHWEI ON DINEY TORAH WHERE CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL CALLED THE VAAD HAKOHOL TO A DIN TORAH AND ANOTHER CASE WHERE ONE VAAD MEMBER (Gross, in the the minority) CALLED THE OTHERS (the Majority) TO A DIN TORA (BOTH CASES IN PREVIOUS DIFFERENT VAADS).
SO RUBASHKIN MUST APPEAR TO A DIN TORAH BEZABLO.
THE CHUTZPAH IS SO GRATE THAT RUBASHKIN TOTALLY IGNORED THE HAZMONES HE DID NOT EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND HIMSELF. - "MELACHTO NAASIS AL YEDEY ACHERIM"!!!
WE CAN TALK AND TALK HERE AND IN OTHERE SITES BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS:
WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE RUBASHKIN, RABBI OSDOBA, SEGAL, ZIRKIND REITPORT AFFRAID TO GO TO A ZABLO?
Please don't get me wrong. The following, which I say about Fisher, only applies to Fisher and certainly not to anyone else who is a true Talmid Chochom, who certainly does everything only Leshem Shomayim.
I can tell you why people like Fisher and the likes of him (not chas v'sholom any of the names you mentioned) never want to go to a Beis Din of Zabla.
Because a B.D. of Zabla could find the guilty party to actually be officially guilty and so it's obvious that if someone already knows, to begin with, that they are guilty, wouldn't anyone like that not exactly "look forward" to being found guilty in a Beis Din, if they can find any excuse in the world, in order not to appear?
Just think about it:
If you were called to Din Torah, and you know that your wrong, would you be so excited to come to a Din Torah, if you can find any reason to try and wiggle out of it.
Of course if you were called to a Din Torah and you knew that you had absolute proof that you are right, wouldn't you come running to the Din Torah of Zabla, happily, with a Big Smile, because you would feel confident that you will be vindicated and you would be looking forward to the opportunity to prove that your right? ? ? ?
Again, chas v'sholom to interpret my reply about any Talmid Chochom or Rav, what I say only applies to people like Fisher and Fisherists, why they never wanted a Din Torah of Zabla.
Anonymous said...
WE CAN TALK AND TALK HERE AND IN OTHER SITES BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS:
WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE RUBASHKIN, RABBI OSDOBA, SEGAL, ZIRKIND REITPORT AFRAID TO GO TO A ZABLO?
Yaacov,
Everyone knows that they were called to ZABLA!
Look inside Rubashkin's own book that he himself put out before the elections, on pages: 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42 - all are Photos of the Hazmonos which clearly state that he's being called to B.D. of ZABLA - it's all in Rubashkins own book!
Rubashkin got FOUR such Hazmonos and Chutzpadik, ignored them all.
Yaacov said...
Shmuel,
Your mistake is, Rabbi Schwei's Hazmanos call Moshe Rubashkin to Badat"z of Crown Heights - i.e. himself.
(You may be confusing the Hazmona to the three newly elected Rabbanim which mentions din torah by zabl"a.)
Without any disrespect - that is the same bias the other way around.
Have we ever heard from Rabbi Dvorkin a.h. and criticism against Fisher?
So in reality Rubashkin's current behavior is just "Machzir Atara Leyoshna".
In the good old days (before he sold out to Rubashkin and Co. corruption) - during the peak of Fisher's War against the Rabbonim and against the Vaad Hakohol etc -
Reitzes would always be Melamed Zchus on Rabbi Dvorkin's lack of prosecution against this criminal as follows:
Hu Haya Omer:
"Look at our 3 big powerful elected Rabbonim, fighting with all their might against this one hoodlum and they still can't quite put him in place ....Can you imagine just one old weak Rav (Rabbi Dvorkin) attempting to tackle this gangster, all on his own?"
Not because Fisher was considered a Tzadik chas vsholom by Rabbi Dvorkin but because he was powerless against him.
Fisherist said...
Have we ever heard from Rabbi Dvorkin a.h. and criticism against Fisher?
So in reality Rubashkin's current behavior is just "Machzir Atara Leyoshna".
Zev, if your going to compare Rubashkin to Fisher, remember that Fisher was never found guilty!
Shlomo:
OJ Simpson also "wasn't found guilty" but I have never found anyone who honestly believed that Simpson didn't do it.
Shlome said...
Zev, if your going to compare Rubashkin to Fisher, remember that Fisher was never found guilty!
You should be smart reb fivel, 'if you can't beat them join them' like I did (I work for the "them" now).
What's the point in fighting someone who you think is "bad" if you can't win?
Yosul,
The LAPD lost the case against OJ
Did the LAPD "learn their lesson" to stop prosecuting criminals because "sometimes you loose" in court?
Yosul said..What's the point in fighting someone who you think is "bad" if you can't win?
You guys are all nuts.
Who gives a …… about Rubashkin’s agenda?
Do you ever walk the streets of Crown Heights and see how the daughters of "Feiner Chabadnetzehs" dress and conduct them selves?
When these girls see how Rubashkin’s Machlokes Machers, are using supposed “rabbonim” and his supposed “chesed” in order to evade Justice, they say: "the hell with the whole tznius and religion".
For that matter, they boys feel the same way.
The Machlokes must end now, before it's too late.
Anonymous,
Now, it's up to Rubashkin to decide how important his Main Goal in Life, of fighting Rabbi Schwei, is!
Anonymous said...
the youth say: "the hell with the whole tznius and religion".
The Machlokes must end now, before it's too late.
I also agree with Anonymous and with Levi that the machlokes must end.
I think everyone wants it to end but everyone wants the other side to end it on his own terms!
If everyone will just say the truth, what they really stand for it would help clear th air.
The problem is that people use the false pretense of their supposed "chesed" in order to stab others in the back.
That's what Fisher did. He did a lot of "Chesed", to make a lot of apartments for Anash, so everyone will love him for that, then he used his, image of "Baal Chesed of the Community
" as an excuse to legitimize his robbing the entire community by keeping all the profits for his own personal pocket, and for the purpose of fighting the Rabbonim.
The exact same thing is what Rubashkin is doing, now!
Please Moshe, next time you give money for camps and for yesomim and almonos, just tell them the truth that it is all Fisher’s BLOOD MONEY, that you get, from Fisher (via Boimelgreen) in order to make yourself "look good" so you should be able to continue your Machlokes against the Mara Deasra, Harav Shvei.
Even big mafioso, Meyer Lansky,
gave hefty tzedaka. Sometime ago,
in the 1970's, he offered to donate
THREE MILLION dollars to Israel-
believe or not, they turned it down.
So, because someone is a great
baal tzedaka and chesed, is that
an excuse to let this person get away with wrongdoing on another front?
UH OHHH!!! What's this sentiment?!
"The youth are saying,'the h.. with
the whole tznius and religion!'
Why, because some people (esteemed,
or formerly esteemed, Rabbanan) set
a bad example? Please, my dear children, don't fall for such a
Yetzer Hora. Know why? Very simple.
Suppose an esteemed Rav loses it
and,R"L, goes into McDonalds for
a cheeseburger (the goy told him,"you don't know what you're missing"), or, worse yet, jumps into a bonfire. In effect, he's doing both, eat trief, go to
Gehinnom! Try those bonfires -
ouch!- at least, 60 times worse!
So, do you want to get his punishment too?! No, you don't,so
spare yourself the agony, please! Get these rebellious thoughts out of your head.
What does Pirkei Avos say?
"If thou find thyself in a place
where there aint men, thou shalt
strive to be the man."
Translation to modern English:
"If you find yourself in a place
where no one acts decently, YOU
be the decent one."
Bracha and hatzlacha to you.
Sincerely yours,
Dear Friend
to those who curse out fisher:
the only person who gives cheap apartments to Yidden in CH, as per the will of the Rebbe, is Fisher.
Drizin, Sperlin & Popack families own many buildings in CH which are full of shvartzes and never try to help Yidden populate the Rebbe's shchuna.
So for the younger generation who does not remember events of 20 years ago, they see two sides, one that helps Yidden and the other that helps shvartzes.
TO "Dear Friend said...
You would be right (with your example of jumping in to a fire etc…)
...But you are telling us to respect them??
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