Moshe Rubashkin Served with Court Papers - Wednesday Evening
As Directed by the Beis Din of Three Rabbonim, including the Mara Deasra, Harav Schwei Shelita, Abir Shebeabirim (According to the Rebbe) - who issued a Psak Din, that Moshe Rubashkin may be taken to court because of him being in Contempt of Rabbinical Court for failure to appear for a Din Torah - Papers have now been filed against Rubashkin in the Supreme Court of the State of N.Y., dated May 15th, Erev Lag B'Omer.
Wednesday May 17th, Judge, Francois A. Rivera, signed the Court Order To Show Cause against Rubashkin and Election Services Corporation, including an immediate Stay Order as follows:
"ORDERED that pending the hearing of this order to show cause the defendants are enjoined from permitting the installation of alleged winners of the unauthorized election, Rabbi Yitzchok Raitport, Rabbi Shlomo Segal, and Rabbi Yitzchok Zirkind to the Beth Din"
posted by DaasHakohol @ Thursday, May 18, 2006
56 comments
56 Comments:
I want to throw up in disgust. Another court case, more fights. I owned amikvah.blogspot.com for a week. Then I realized that it isn’t doing anybody good!!!!
Guys, get real. If you have regular news and you also put on lashon Haroh, OK, I understand, but a full web site just for this!!?????? amikvah@yahoo.com
I look forward to hearing details on this case and think its really long overdue. Please publish the papers in its entirety so that the public can see what a scoundrel rubashkin is. I want you to know that the site called crownheights.info may as well call itself the voice of Moshe Rubashkin. It censors any posts that are critical of Moshe, using a very pravda style of journalism. All my comments have been rejected by their webmaster. I would like to appluad daashakohol.com for being an open site that is not scared to speak the truth.
chazak veemotz
I think moshe rubashkin is destroying this community and i would like him stopped. but a court case? what good will it do? just drag lubavitch through the mud like satmar.
Every time I see Rubashkin and Company, I want to throw up in disgust. Another Machlokes caused by Moshe!
If no one else can stop this bulldozer from knocking over everything in C.H., hopefully the courts will stop him at last.
To: mama mia
No one wants to be in court but Rubashkin doesn't care about anything else. Let him go to a neutral Beis Din or Zabla. Until then let's see what the Courts can do.
How can Nash and Sperlin sue Rubashin on behalf of the JCC and Vaad Hakohol when they are in the minority? Isn't Lang and Plotkin with Rubashkin?
Please explain.
Nash and Sperlin have what's called "standing" as Directors of the corporation - the JCC and the Vaad. Even if they are individuals and in the minority there are some activities they are able to do as a Director. They are not the JCC and the Vaad, for that they need a majority vote. On the other hand they are acting in their official capacity as Directors even as individuals. Does that make it clearer?
The psak din from the three Rabbonim removed Rubashkin, Lang and Plotkin from the Vaad. So it is just Sperln and Nash so they are the Vaad and can represent the CHJCC and Vaad.
what psak din removed rubashkin lang and plotkin?
The Psak Din is on the posting here. Click on the link.
The Courts don't know or care that there is a Psak Din that removed the three. It is what I said before, they have standing as Directors.
Rubashkin will bring in the letter from Rav Osdoba that everything has to go by majority and they will throw this out of court in a second!
unfortunately it had to come to this...
i guess it's a neccesary evil...
any chance you guys can post nash's affidavit? i would be very interested in seeing what he said.
A Suggestion to Moshe Rubashkin. Quit you job now!!! Every body will be happy:
A. your wife and children
B. your parents, brothers and sisters
C. the entire crown heights community
The only one will be disappointed is boymelgreen... but mohse you have to realize that he is using you like a 'shmate' the day you out of use.. He’ll throw you like toilet paper...
Moshe quit now - We still love you, and would like to see you do what you are capable to do… help people and not to get involved in politics
I just heard on the NEW C.H. Hotline (212 461-8874),that your website, is the Loshon Hora Website & the Chilul Lubavitch Website.
I disagree!!!
If anyone is making a Chilul Lubavitch, it's Rubashkin....
Why wasn't Lang and Plotkin charged or even mention in the court papers, with Rubashkin?
Aren't Plotkin and Lang, Partners in Crime with Rubashkin, since they Rubber Stamp all of Moshe's criminal activity in the jcc?
While the courts don't usually mix into Rabbonim affairs, however in this case the legal entity of the chjcc, corporation's Bylaws, stipulate that Rabbonim have the final say in everything. So now 'who are' "the Rabbonim"? becomes a legal question.
Legal eye said...
The Courts don't know or care that there is a Psak Din that removed the three
To Hershel:
Are you saying that now the Courts will decide which one of the 2 elected Rabbonim from the Badatz, are right???
Hershel said...
So now 'who are' "the Rabbonim"? becomes a legal question.
Anonymous,
You are wrong, because once in Court, the Judge will laugh at your claim because the Court will officially proclaim what everyone already knows that: Rabbi Schwei is just as much "the Rov", just as much as, (if not more than,) Rabbi Osdobo
Anonymous said...
Rubashkin will bring in the letter from Rav Osdoba that everything has to go by majority and they will throw this out of court in a second!
To Anonymous:
I know you think that Rabbi Osdoba is "very big" but does that make him "the majority"?
Besides, Rabbi Osdoba's letter was signed by only One Rav and Rabbi Schwei's was signed by a Beis Din of 3 Rabbonim?
Anonymous said...
Rubashkin will bring in the letter from Rav Osdoba that everything has to go by majority and they will throw this out of court in a second!
To: Rabbi Schwei = "the majority"
I meant that Rubashkin has a majority in the Vaad.
This is disgusting. You know nothing is going to come out of this courtcase. Are these the same Rabbonim that went berserk that Krinsky went to court?
And to everyone, lets not bring thr Rebbe or his Sichos in to this website, or argument. This is a fight of two corrupt parties and each deserves the other.
Moshe, that's not what I said.
I think the judge will force Rabbi Osdoba to make true Peace with Rabbi Schwei by forcing Rabbi Osdoba to finally recognize that he is not "The Rov" but rather merely "ONE of the Rabbonim"!
He was originally elected, to be merely, 1/3 of the Badatz and he still is ONLY 1/3 of the original Beis Din and NOTHING more!
The judge will make him understand that, and that he must now (make peace, rather than fight, to) SHARE, his Monopoly of the Beis Din with his one and only equal, partner, Rabbi Schwei.
Moshe said...
To Hershel:
Are you saying that now the Courts will decide which one of the 2 elected Rabbonim from the Badatz, are right???
Will Rabbi Osdoba be on trial?
I thought these court papers were charges against Rubashkin?
Hershel said...
I think the judge will force Rabbi Osdoba to make true Peace with Rabbi Schwei by forcing Rabbi Osdoba to finally recognize that he is not "The Rov" but rather merely "ONE of the Rabbonim"!
Zalman, you are right. The court papers have nothing to do with Rabbi Osdoba and Rabb Osdoba is not at all, On Trial.
The court papers are only against Rubashkin and the Election Services Corporation.
the same ziknei hachasidim who arranged that Aguch & Merkaz be taken to court, with the approval of the Badtaz, are now taking Moshe Rubashkin to court, against the approval of Rabbi Osdoba.
The tables have been turned.
But, right now the Gaboim are saying in court that all religious issues must be dealt with a religious court, this is certainly a religious issue, no?
Rubashkin can bring the letter from R' Osdoba that Segal must serve in the Beis Din if R' Schwei wants to run, and can bring the results of the R' Schwei's election, where less that half came to vote, and there was also not a chance to vote for anyone else.
Anyway, i don't see this site as fair, as many of my comments have never been posted
To Zalman and To Sholom, regarding the question if Rabbi Osdoba is involved in this court case:
Whether Rabbi Osdoba will come out of this Court Case "Looking Good" or the opposite depends on, no one except on Rabbi Osdoba himself.
It's rabbi Osdoba's own choice, now, where he can choose to disassociate himself with this Convicted Felon (Rubashkin) or Rabbi Osdoba can choose to go all out to try to "Defend" Rubashkin's past and present Criminal behavior, in which case Rabbi Osdoba may bringing himself into this ugly mess, by his own choice of actions.
The Rebbe had to take Barry to court because he was not religious and would refuse to come to a Din Torah.
Anyone who refuses a call to a Din Torah of Zabla is like any other Secular Jew who may be taken to court and should be taken to court because their Chutzpadik, Stubborn and Egotistical refusal, to submit to an impartial Beis Din of Zabla, means that they have effectively shown that their is no other way to deal with them except the way the Rebbe dealt with Barry.
Anonymous said...
But, right now the Gaboim are saying in court that all religious issues must be dealt with a religious court, this is certainly a religious issue, no?
Anonymous said...
this is certainly a religious issue, no?
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No, not at all.
This is a question of outright brazen FRAUD and WHO committed it and WHO has no self respect to not even be ashamed of themselves to be "defending" such a FRAUDULENT "election".
Dear Moshe Rubashkin,
A good deed in the past does not justify a bad deed in the future.
You miscalculated and it cost the community of C.H. very dearly.
You obviously believed that once you got away with the Fisher act, you could get away with anything.
Unfortunately we all make mistakes including you. The problem is that your mistake(s) have cost an entire community very dearly.
True, things were not at all perfect before you came on the scene, but it is obvious, even to you, that things have gotten worse. With the exception of a few good projects, in the community.
Who's supervising the election
results and procedures? Those
who all have an interest in the
outcome? No way! NO NO NO...
If this already goes to secular
authorities, why not let them be
the supervisors? Enough said, I
think.
Who's supervising the election
results and procedures? Those
who all have an interest in the
outcome? No way! NO NO NO...
If this already goes to secular
authorities, why not let them be
the supervisors? Enough said, I
think.
What a joke, this whole town is run by money makers. The people with the money run the show regardless. When someone like Harav schwei stands up and tries to take the community matters and place it in the communities hands. He is then called a bal machlokes. Harav schwei is was elected to end the corruption.
However, the real bal machlokes, the selfish rich people who cant stand to see someone stand in the way of their profits have the upper hand, they have the money to manipulate the entire community. This will never end. Its just the beginning.
Who's supervising the election
results and procedures? Those
who have an interest in its
outcome? NO! No way does that work.
If this is already going to
secular authorities, let them
be the supervisors!
It looks like the other two rabonim are embaresed to be one of Rubashkin's pupets.
I thought the reason for the elections was so our children will see achdus and to "stop" machlokis.
The so called leaders of the community are destroying the community. To say otherwise is to deny reality.
There has been a scandal. The Vaad Hakahel should call for new elections for.... VAAD HAKAHEL!
In addition, someone like Moshe Rubashkin should not be "the face of the community". Shame on all of us.
He thinks he has helped the community. Moshe, One good deed does not in any way justify a bad deed that follows.
If two RABBONIM cannot sit down and put aside their differences for the good of my community, they lose all respect in my eyes.
Young married man. 26 yrs. old. 2 kids.
I for one lost my respect for him with all his letters and un-classy style on this election matter.
Montgomery St. resident. 26 yrs
What a boosha and charpah, hachtorah for new Rabbonim and you can't put together a minyan yungeliet??? What message does this send. Time to get back to the drawing board. I regret voting.
Just to curious as why the corrupt election party, was not in the shul downstairs so all could participate.
Are they afraid or just embarrased
When is the actual court case?
to: Rebbe took Barry to Court.
Barry might not have been chabad but he was indeed religious.
Chazkel:
Why else did the Rebbe take Barry to Court?
chazkel said...
Barry might not have been chabad but he was indeed religious
It depends on your definition of "Religious".
If someone keeps 612 Mitzvos but the 613th, he says "he doesn't hold from that"....would you call that person "religious"?
I wouldn't call that "religiouse".
Anyone who refuses to follow the Torah, to go to a Din Torah of Zabla, when called to a Din Torah, can't call himself "religious".
Al achas kama v'kama that he can't call himself a "rav", if he doesn't follow the Torah himself.
Al achas kama v'kama that he can't expect anyone else, to think of him as a "rav", if he himself, disobeys the Torah, which says you must come to a Din Torah, when called.
Chanina and Leibush may think they have a chance here, but this litigation will either be dismissed quickly for lack of truthfulness and standing, or it can drag on for years or as long as Shalom Ber Drizin foots the legal fees for the Schvei group. But short term, Moshe will still be in charge and Chanina will not have photo ops with politcians and cops any more.
When so much money is involved,
in my "humble" opinion, this case
should be handled by a neutral
Bais Din OUTSIDE Lubavitch. No
Zablas or any arrangement where
games can be played. What's wrong
with that? Then, if they refuse to go - oh my! - What crime did they commit?
to izik
the rebbe took Barry to court because he wanted the legal Right to the sfurim.
"It depends on your definition of "Religious".
If someone keeps 612 Mitzvos but the 613th, he says "he doesn't hold from that"....would you call that person "religious"?
I wouldn't call that "religious"."
according you zev maybe .01% of the Jewish population is religious.
Yisroel,
I disagree.
This is a very smart judge and not one of Yudel's whom you can buy with $.
The judge will most likely decide this case very fairly and very quickly and if Moshe wants to avoid the slammer, he will have to apologize, admit his guilt and leave, in order for the plaintiffs to agree to drop the case.
Yisroel said...
Chanina and Leibush may think they have a chance here, but this litigation will either be dismissed quickly for lack of truthfulness and standing, or it can drag on for years or as long as Shalom Ber Drizin foots the legal fees for the Schvei group. But short term, Moshe will still be in charge and Chanina will not have photo ops with politcians and cops any more.
The Rebbe made it clear statement and made it clearly known why he took Barry to court instead of to a Din Torah and it wasn't for "your reason".
chazkel said...
to izik
the rebbe took Barry to court because he wanted the legal Right to the sfurim.
Your right, that every Jew can occasionally be less than perfect and we all do Teshuvah Every Day, several times each day.
What's the difference, then between Orthodox Conservative and Reform, if even the Orthodox also Sin sometimes?
Answer:
When a Religious Jew does an Avera, he is apologetic about it, embarrassed by it, regrets it and does his best to TRY at least, to make sure, it never happens again.
The Conservative and Reform in contrast, do it with SHITAH, that their Averah is "OK" with G-d.
These low lifes who refuse to come to Din Torah, they are doing it with a SHITAH that this is kaviyochol "Right" and that equates them with the Conservative and Reform who think alike.
chazkel said...
"It depends on your definition of "Religious".
If someone keeps 612 Mitzvos but the 613th, he says "he doesn't hold from that"....would you call that person "religious"?
I wouldn't call that "religious"."
according you zev maybe .01% of the Jewish population is religious.
Halacha gives us the right to choose Zabla.
The advantage of Zabla is that they can't be bought off with Shochad.
Anonymous said...
When so much money is involved,
in my "humble" opinion, this case
should be handled by a neutral
Bais Din OUTSIDE Lubavitch. No
Zablas or any arrangement where
games can be played. What's wrong
with that? Then, if they refuse to go - oh my! - What crime did they commit?
so what is the reason reb Leibel?
"When a Religious Jew does an Avera, he .is apologetic about it, embarrassed by it, regrets it and does his best to TRY at least, to make sure, it never happens again
The Conservative and Reform in contrast, do it with SHITAH, that their Averah is "OK" with G-d.
These low lifes who refuse to come to Din Torah, they are doing it with a SHITAH that this is kaviyochol "Right" and that equates them with the Conservative and Reform who think alike."
so let me ask you when a Jew steals from the goverment with intent. and " is not. apologetic about it, not embarrassed by it, does not regrets it and does not do his best to TRY at least, to make sure, it never happens again". is he a Religious jew or not?
halacha also supports a
regular Bais Din. So, in
a dispute over Zabla or
Bais Din, which gets priority?
To Zabla:
With so much at stake, be it money
or power, the problem with a Zabla,
very likely, will be like this:
Being that the litigant chooses
the Rav, unfortunately, there is
available, and he will choose,
someone who is "in on it" -
deeply nogeah b'dvar. So the
litigant doesn't need shochad.
That being the case, will such a
Zabla member go with the truth,
or bend over backwards to make
sure it goes his "client's" way.
Also, he can stalemate the
proceedings so it goes nowhere?
Wouldn't it be more impartial and
fair to go to a neutral, outside
Lubavitch, Bais Din? Why choose
a method (Zabla) with members
nogeah b'dvar?
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