Rubashkin and Renegade Netzigim, risk up to Five Years in Prison for Obstruction of Justice as a results of the Impeachment Attempt to stop the Courts
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NEWS UPDATE - Sunday 6/11/2006
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DaasHakohol and Rubashkin's Council has apparently been effective in persuading Rubashkin and his Renegade Netzigim, to abandon of their "Impeachment Attempt".
DaasHakohol has learned that Rubashkin's Council has advised them, to cancel Mondays Meeting for 3 reasons:
1) Since most Renegade Netzigim aren't willing to sit in Jail for Rubashkin, he can't even get a Quorum to attend his Illegal Netzigim meeting.
2) Rubashkin's Obstruction of Justice is likely to send him back to Fort Dix, since he is still on Probation.
3) Rubashkin's Impeachment Attempt is sure to anger the Judge and help make him loose the case.
In conclusion Rubashkin was advised that he should just pretend like he is trying an Impeachment Attempt, but nothing more than just pretending.
Rubashkin was advised to do this, by claiming that he has not "Canceled" the meeting but rather "only postponed" it until the 19th of the Month, which is Rubashkin's "Yom Hadin", in court.
Then on the 19th, he can then Lie once more and claim to "delay it" once more and so on, continuously - as Rubashkin has done in the past.
Click on Here, to see how Rubashkin regularly takes the community for fools, when he "plays" with us, with his "Meeting Cancellations - Postponements"
Netzigim could be Guilty of Obstruction of Justice, and face 5 years imprisonment if they attempt impeachment to stop the court case!
Click Here for the Definition of Obstruction of Justice and it's implications.
For more details on Obstruction of Justice, be sure to read "questions and answers" in the comments section. Click Here for comments.
Rubashkin has been sending people, to intimidate those involved in the court case against him, saying that the case must be stopped at once so as not to uncover any of Rubashkin’s possible criminal activity which could be a violation of his current probation, resulting in his return to Fort Dix.
At the same time, while Rubashkin is trying to make a “Rachmones Case” out of himself, (that the case against him be dropped out of Rachmones for him,) at the same time he has relentlessly increased all his improper activity which has prompted the court case against him, to begin with.
It never stops to amaze people how someone who fears a violation of his parole and who criticizes others of alleged “Mesira”, yet he himself. Never stops jumping into the Fire, head on, relentlessly.
If their was any truth at all, that anyone is putting Rubashkin in danger, by taking him to court, certainly Rubashkin could just quit what he is doing and reverse the damage and the case would have been dropped against him.
The fact that not only has Rubashkin not backed down but he has increased his wrongful activity and all of Rubashkin’s Lawyers, Aids, Friends and Rabbi’s allow him to continue his reckless behavior, Have proven beyond a doubt, that no one really considers this to be a case of real “Mesira”.
The "Mesira Card" is obviously being falsely played in a desperate effort to discredit the inevitable winners of the current court case against Rubashkin.
Rubashkin’s most recent bizarre action has called for a meeting of his Illegal Renegade Netzigim to assemble in his home in attempt to impeach the Vaad Hakohol members who are taking him to court, for the sole reason that they have dared to take him to court.
This is in effect Rubashkins own Mesira on Himself!
Such action to deliberately undermine the Supreme Court, in such a Chutzpadik way, is sure to be considered the most brazen Obstruction of Justice, by the judge who is currently hearing the case.
Many Netzigim have already said that they will not risk attending this illegal meeting. One prominent Netzig has told DaasHakohol: “As much as I love Rubashkin, I am not ready to go to Jail for him”. Other Netzigim have also expressed similar sentiment.
At the very least, Rubashkin’s Impeachment Chutzpah, against the Judge, is sure to anger the Judge and help win the case against Rubashkin.
It is interesting to note that this is not the first time, that Rubashkin has “shot himself in the foot”. In the past criminal case against Rubashkin, his Brazen Chutzpah against the Judge in the courtroom, is what prompted the Judge to give him a much longer sentence in Fort Dix.
If Rubashkin has not yet learned his lesson from his past, perhaps, at least the Netzigim, will make sure that they can say “Yodeinu Loy Shofcha Es Hadam Hazeh” – to not lend a hand to help Rubashkin “jump into the fire”, Chutzpadik, against the Judge and the Pending case in court.
If Rubashin’s current actions are perceived to be “Suicide” for his own self interests, then at least the Netzigim should not be guilty of “Assisted Suicide”.
posted by DaasHakohol @ Friday, June 09, 2006
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Q.: What does it mean to "obstruct justice?"
A.: Generally, any act that is intended to interfere with the administration of justice may constitute obstruction of justice.
There are many different kinds of obstruction of justice that are covered by different statutes. For example, separate federal statutes cover obstruction of court orders, obstruction of criminal investigations, obstruction of state and local law enforcement of gambling statutes, and tampering with or retaliating against witnesses, victims and informants.
Q.: What sorts of acts may constitute obstruction of justice?
A.: Obstruction may consist of any attempt to hinder the discovery, apprehension, conviction or punishment of anyone who has committed a crime.
The acts by which justice is obstructed may include bribery, murder, intimidation, and the use of physical force against witnesses, law enforcement officers or court officials.
The purpose may be to influence, delay or prevent the communication of information to law enforcement officers; to influence, delay or prevent court testimony; to alter or destroy evidence; or to evade a subpoena or similar court process.
Q.: Does obstruction always involve bribery or physical force?
A.: No. One particularly murky category of obstruction is the use of "misleading conduct" toward another person for the purpose of obstructing justice.
"Misleading conduct" may consist of deliberate lies or "material omissions" (leaving out facts which are crucial to a case).
It may also include knowingly submitting or inviting a judge or jury to rely on false or misleading physical evidence, such as documents, maps, photographs or other objects.
Any other "trick, scheme, or device with intent to mislead" may constitute a "misleading conduct" form of obstruction.
Q.: How has the "misleading conduct" category of obstruction been used?
A.: The definition of "misleading conduct" is so general that it can be used to fit many different situations. For instance, Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr attempted to apply the obstruction statutes very broadly in his investigation of former President Clinton.
Mr. Starr argued that Mr. Clinton committed obstruction of justice by denying to friends and subordinates that he engaged in improper contact with Monica Lewinsky.
According to Starr, this constituted "misleading conduct" obstruction because Mr. Clinton expected that his denials would be repeated to the grand jury that was investigating the relationship.
Mr. Starr also prosecuted Susan McDougal for obstruction because she refused to testify before the grand jury about Mr. and Mrs. Clinton's investment in the Whitewater real estate project (McDougal was acquitted).
And Mr. Starr unsuccessfully prosecuted Julie Hiatt Steele for obstructing the Lewinsky investigation by claiming that she lied to a grand jury about what and when former White House volunteer Kathleen Willey had told her concerning bahvior by Mr. Clinton.
Q.: Must a court case be pending for obstruction to occur?
A.: No. An official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense.
This was illustrated in the Martha Stewart case; her alleged obstruction occurred very early in the investigation.
Furthermore, she ended up not being charged with the underlying crime that was being investigated.
Q.: What is the penalty for obstruction?
A.: Generally, obstruction of justice is punishable by up to five years in prison.
If the obstructions occurs in connection with the trial of a federal criminal case, the defendant may be sentenced to either 5 years in prison, or the maximum sentence that could be imposed in the trial in which the obstruction occurred, whichever is greater.
For example, if the obstruction occurs in connection with a drug trafficking case carrying a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, the person who obstructed justice might receive 20 years in prison for obstructing justice.
If the person who obstructed justice was also the defendant in the drug trafficking case, the obstruction sentence might be added to the drug trafficking sentence, for a maximum possible sentence of 40 years in prison.
Is it true Chanina finaly took his name off the court complaint????
The Brothers Sperlin have reportedly demanded--and succeeded- in having their sibling Chanina Sperlin withdraw his name as a party to the lawsuit.
Does anyone have any details on this?
Rubashkin sent out another letter that arrived today where he is claiming to postpone his "impeachment" meeting from the 12th to the 19th of June. He calls it a "mesira" on the Community and says that he is moving the meeting in order to enable Leibish Nash to do the right thing. It seems clear that hes using the meeting as a weapon to intimidate Nash into backing out. This to me seems clearly like a case for obstruction of justice. His brazen chutzpa is unprecedented.
WOW, My friend just sent me a link to this site. I NEVER heard this side of the argument. Now I understand wthe truth!
Why don't you get this link out to all of Lubavitch. We hear only ONE side of the story.
There has to be a way to publicize this blog!
Lmaan Haemes, PLEASE ge the word out!
אני פשוט המום משלמה סגל... בשביל קצת כבוד היהודי מוכן להרוס את שכונת המלך, לחבור לחבורה כוחנית ומסכונת... והכל בשביל כבוד שבורח ממנו
I would assume that the potential Obstruction of Justice charges against the Renegade Netzigim, could also result in getting Mr. Weiss (Renegade Netzigim's Lawyer?) to be Disbarred for his potential illegal or unethical behavior.
The response to Chanina's supposed "dropping out of the case", was accepted with great joy by all those involved in the case against Rubashkin.
The reason is simple:
Chanina is very well connected in Politics and so, is very vulnerable, to be blackmailed by Rubashkin and company.
As long as Chanina was in the case, he actually often hindered the speed of it's progression because of his many legitimate political considerations, - Honestly, Letovas Hashchuna.
However, now that Chanina is out of the picture, the case is now totally free, to move Full Steam Ahead without Chanina being able to hold back on anything, any longer.
Thanks to Rubashkin's Blackmail against Chanina, the case against Rubashkin is now much stronger and totally unstoppable.
Chanina, who was always "a moderate" on the issues, against Rubashkin, will no longer be able to cause any further delays.
The case against Rubashkin, now moves freely, Baruch Hashem, Full Steam Ahead!
Kol Deavid Rachmona, Letav Ovid!
Didan Notzach!
How could Sperlin take it out of Court? He claims that Rubashkin stole 18 million dollars.
Anonymous,
Chanina is very smart.
Chanina made a very intelligent strategic move to outsmart Rubashkin and company.
Why should Chanina have to do, all of the "Dirty Work", himslef, if he can have Nash do it for him, instead?
Melachtoy Naaseh Al Yedey Acherim!
Besides as someone calling himself, 'Didan Notzach', had said:
"The case is now much more effective because the only one vulnerable, is out of the picture" and now all Anash involved in the case, are protected from Chanina's vulnerability and no longer have anything to fear, to prosecute Rubashkin, fearlessly, all the way!
Anonymous said...
How could Sperlin take it out of Court? He claims that Rubashkin stole 18 million dollars.
Segal, gave an interview, to one of the worst Lefty Web Sites, who always disrespect Rabbi Osdoba and the entire the Badataz, where Segal refered to Nash and Sperlin as a "moser" according toTorah, and a "Rodef" etc.
If I was Nash, I would use that to show the judge that segal is in contempt of court (everyone knows the din of a rodef and moser..)
And what I don't get is how segal keeps on spitting in the face of Rabbi Schvei, and yet he comes to 770 shabbos, sits in the place of the Rabonim?
Next week the bench should be filled with people and not let Segal come and sit there.
Segal has insulted Rabbi Osdoba, when he told COL, that going to court is improper according to Torah.
Since Rabbi Osdoba himself has just recently given permission to someone to go to court!
Segal also insulted Rabbi Marlow, Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Heller who gave permission to take Fisher to Court!
Fisher, was put into a Cherem because he refused to hand over the Financial Books to the Beis Din and he refused to go to Zabla.
Why isn't Segal put into Cherem for refusing Zabla, just like Fisher (Fisher also had Smicha and was a big Talmid Chochom, just like Segal)?
And why isn't Rubashkin put into Cherem for refusing to show the Financial Books and also refusing Zabla, just like Fisher?
For the past 2 weeks, I have been reading about the Machlokes between Rav Osdoba and Rav Schwei.They cannot agree on anything which is why some people felt the need to elect more rabbonim. What I dont understand is why wasnt Rav Heller asked, begged, or implored to be the third active Rav. Rav Heller is respected all over the world as a Posek. Even the Israel Rabbanut recognizes his greatness. You people in Crown Heights have a solution to your problem if you will be smart enough to use it.
Rabbi Heller was asked for years to be the 3d Rav, especially recently, in order to help make peace.
Obviously Rabbi Heller refused for obvious reasons which I don't want to get in to because of Kovod Harabonim.
Suffice it to say that:
Rabbi Heller left Rabbi Osdoba long before, Rabbi Schwei was ever on the scene.
Anyone who doesn't understand why Rabbi Schwei has such a hard time getting along with Rabbi Osdoba, should ask Rabbi Heller why he too, had such a hard time that his only choice was to have to leave the Badatz!
I don't want to get any more specific, because of Kovod Harabonim.
But just in case you still don't get it, let me ask you:
Do you still wonder why Rabbi Heller chose NOT to vote, although Rabbi Osdoba's direct orders were to vote?
Anonymous said...
What I don't understand is why wasn't Rav Heller asked, begged, or implored to be the third active Rav. Rav Heller is respected all over the world as a Posek.
Anonymous,
In Israel, when people called the prime Minister a Rodef, it got them arrested.
Could the DA have Segal indited for attempted murder or incitement or conspiracy of murder...?
I hope Segal isn't planning to travel to Israel, because they will arrest him for sure for calling someone a Rodef.
Anonymous said...
If I was Nash, I would use that to show the judge that segal is in contempt of court (everyone knows the din of a rodef and moser..)
Hi Guyes
Maybe you can help me out?
I'm a teenager, recently dropped out from yeshiva O.T. because of all the hypocrisy I see. I just can't make any sense out of it so I decided to drop everything.
Unless someone can explain to me, how it's possible that evil gets ahead in this world and the more evil you are the further ahead you get and if yes, why shouldn't I join the evil and get ahead too?
For example, Krinsky spits in the face of the Beis Din and he becomes head of the Shluchim and has millions of dollars under his control while Simpson who respects the Beth Din, is struggling?
How it that Shem Tov who spits in the face of the Badatz, gets the most prominent seat at my Yeshiva when they want to make a Mikveh and he even gets Rabbi Osdoba to be forced to shake his hand while he refuses to come to his Din Tora?
How can dirty money from Boimelgreen control a rav's day to day affairs?
How does an entire community be so laid back when it's run by a convicted felon who even refuses to show the books - come on fellas, how stupid can you be?
Why do you think he doesn't want to show the books? Do you need to be rocket scientists to figure out how guilty he is? Do you need a Rov or a Din Torah or a Court to tell you how guilty Rubashkin is? Whom are you kidding? Why doesn't the community get rid of him?
How can a community allow it's self to have rampant corruption by the Rabbonim, Beis Din, Vaad Hakohol, Netzigim and now even in My Yeshiva, the Low Life Shemtov shaking hands with the Rov and Rabbi Rosenfeld giving him the greatest honor to sit next to the Rov?
I am sure you will all have a lot of good answers, but your lying
You are all full of Baloney!
Hey anon, Kuntres umayon asks and answers your very questions. You don't need to be in yeshiva to get someone to learn it with you.
Since we are being frank, let's get something straight: Your doubts and issues are your own. Don't use everyone else's yetzer hora as a cop-out to justify your own failings.
Greater minds than yours have grappled with the same question. That is why the Rebbe Rashab was compelled to spelll out the answer.
Take it slowly. Learn it carefully. It will change your life.
As a matter of fact we could all do with an in depth study of or review of kuntres umayon from time to time. and there is no time like the present.
Why has Rabbi Shvei not been paid for the past month, due to "lack of funds"?
And why is this atrocity not known to the whole community?
Another maamar that we could all do with reviewing is the maamar heichaltzu that the Rebbe stood for hours to place into each of our hands when the winds of a similar machlokes gusted through the hearts of the residents of kan tziva hava' es habrocha.
Please post when and where you would like to begin an in depth review of heichaltzu brabim. [Now is not the time for false humility, we are desperate!]
אינני גר בקראון הייטס ואין לי שום שייכות לכל המחלוקת הזה אך רציתי רק לכתוב מה שמונח על הלב
אין דברי אלה מכוונים לצד אחד אלא לכולם בשווה
כמובן שיש דעות חזקות בכל צד בנוגע מה שקורה ואין שום אפשריות לבקש שיוותרו על דעותיהם אך חוב ואחריות על כל אחד ואחת שבשם ליובאוויטש יקרא לראות לכבות את אש המחלוקת ובוודאי לא לעזור ולשפוך נפט למדורה כידוע האימרה על מחלוקת לשם שמים שסופה להתקיים שכל מחלוקת שכל א' משוכנע שהוא עושה לשם שמים סופה להתקיים שלא יעצרו את המחלוקת ס'טייטש למה יפסיק הרי הוא עושה רק לשם שמים
Kaviyochol - אינני גר בקראון said...
חוב ואחריות על כל אחד ואחת שבשם ליובאוויטש יקרא לראות לכבות את אש המחלוקת
I am sure that as much of a Mumche that you are, of what is בשם ליובאוויטש יקרא
I am sure that even you will agree that the Rebbe knows better what it means to be a Lubavitcher and how a Lubavitcher should and should not behave.
The Rebbe always complained why "Ein Pozeh Pe Umetzaftzef"
The Rebbe wanted us to Moche and have a Milchama (Yilchom Milchemes Hashem V'Yenatzeach) with Mihu Yehudy, Shleimus Haaretz, took Barry to court and with Fisher'istim Leminehem (i.e. Rubashkin, V'Chavraye Delay, B'Zmanenu).
When Fishers wife came crying to the Rebbe about the Redifos against her husband, the Rebbe DID NOT SAY to the Chassidim who were Rodef Fisher, "Lechabos Eish Hamachlokes" against him. On the contrary the Rebbe told his wife, that their is only ONE OPTION for Fisher, to listen to the Rabbonim, which demanded a Din Torah by Zabla.
"YOU", will not define what is Lubavitch and what is not Lubavitch or a Lubavitcher!
The Rebbe, is the ONLY one, who defines what is Lubavitch and how a Lubavitcher should behave and what is right and what is wrong.
The Rebbe taught us, that when you have "a Fisher" (Like Rubashkin and company), then he must come to a Zabla Beis Din and when the case against Fisher went to Court, (just like we are now taking Rubbishing to court now,) the Rebbe knew about it all and supported it, all the way, all the years.
Rabbi Schwei's side always demanded a Din Torah of Zabla and still wants it ad hayom hazeh.
"The other side", chose the ways of Machlokes, instead of making Sholom, via a Din Torah of Zabla.
If you are so concerned about Sholom, make sure that a Din Torah of Zabla is arranged.
50% of your work is done already because Rabbi Schwei's side always wanted a Din Torah of Zabla and even called Rabbi Osdoba himself, to a Din Torah of Zabla!
So you only have the 50% left to work on, to convince "them too",to be interested in Sholom instead of Machlokes, to follow the Torah, which says that the only way to make Sholom is via Din Torah of Zabla.
Anonymous said...
Another maamar that we could all do with reviewing is the maamar heichaltzu
Heicholtzu is Great!
When someone stands with a Gun to your Head, Chas V'Sholom as Rubashkin is holding the Rabbonim and the entire community Hostage at virtual Gun Point,...
Now, it is not only "not advisable" but not permissible to remedy the situation, by taking out a "Hecholtzu" and trying to teach it to the Hodlum who is holding a Gun to your head!
Rather what is required is take all nessasary action, Bederech Hateva to remedy the emergency, to Call Police, go to Court etc, when dealing with a Hoodlum who refuses a Din Torah of Zabla.
After he is put in place (where he belongs,) then he can sit down and Learn Hecholtzu and Daven Beavoda.
People who are not hoodlums, will go to a Din Torah of Zabla, willingly.
If someone isn't willing to go to a Din Torah of Zabla, i.e. "a Hoodlum";
Hoodlums don't understand Pshat in Hecholtzu, they only understand Pshat when the Judge is Masbir "the Mamar" (and even then not that well)
To the bochur from OT,
Don't kid yourself. I agree with you that what is going on in OT and in CH is terrible. but that hasn't much to do with your dropping out.
If you cared about evil not getting ahead, you'd stay in Yeshiva; even if OT is corrupt.
Besides, all the examples you use are from a specific angle, which means you have been following a certain spin of things all along, maybe if you were as sincere as you make yourself, you might come to different conclusions.
Maybe the fact that anyone shakes Shemtov's hands is only because Boimlegreen convinced Rabbi Rosenfeld that he can only get Boimlegreens Money if he will "Bow Down" to Shemtov?
Or perhaps it was "a necessary evil" as a kickback/payback for the Lefty vote for Rubashkin's elections. Hey, "we have do, what we have to do", right?
BTW
Rabbi Simpson was appointed by the Rebbe's Tzavaah (according to Rabbi Osdoba) to be the head of Merkos, while Krinsky, the Rebbe's Baal Hoagolah, was not.
The situation sucks, but stay in Yeshiva and learn, ignore all the back and forth, and you will be much happier.
G-d should bless you to have as much money as Boymelgreen, and still not get your head all screwed up.
I am sure you have heard from your Mashpiah that their are 3 famous rules:
1) Masheke makes a person Shiker (if it didn't work for you, it's only because you haven't yet had enough mashke).
2) Money makes a person Meshuge (if you have money and are not yet crazy, it's only because you haven't yet had enough money)
3) Chassidus Makes a person more refined, 'eideler' (If it hasn't worked for you yet, it's only because you haven't yet had enough chassidus)
This is A Limud Zchus on Rabbi Rosenfeld:
In a Yeshiva, in addition to learning, on a intellectual level, sometimes you need, a hands on "workshop", to see how Torah applies in Real Life.
What you recently experienced in OT is to see Bereiyah Muchashis that "Gelt Macht Meshuge" and you can thank OT for this valuable lesson.
Signed, Another Bochur, trying to swim in the murky waters of life...
Dear Oholei Torah Drop Out:
Don't you see?? We, as a community, of normal, decent, hard working fathers and mothers are just giving Rubashkin & this new Segal character (who had the audacity to say things about Leibish Nash that I won't repeat here) enough rope to hang themselves.
In reality, they are so incompetant and, apparantly, so STUPID as to keep stoking the flames of "machlokes" and (what they call) "mesira," that it will be THEIR ultimate ruination.
Levi, Yossy, Mendel and some anonymouses have hit the nail on the head. The hypocrisy of the Rubashkin coalition will ultimately be revealed.
Look into today's HaYom Yom 17 of Sivan...
It talks about the "healing of the soul is similar to the healing of the body." The crucial first step is to identify the location of the illness. Perhaps the source of the malady or illness, was caused by "habit or inadequate rearing."
In other words, one's family (father and mother) need to exhibit "tough love" in certain situations. The kid needs to be smacked upside the head when he exhibits undesirable character traits. The LAST thing his loving family should do is "ENABLE" his poor and undesireable traits.
Well, my friend, we, as a Community, are about to exhibit this "tough love" to Rubashkin, et al. If they refuse to resign or come to Beis Din, they are about to get hit "upside the head" as it were, by the Court system. He is NO LONGER a kid that can throw his temper tantrums, and get what he wants from his parents.
His friends, who saved his tuchas on more than one occassion in the business world, have got his number and they're not gonna save his behind again.
Crown Heights is NOT a community that will be run by the "monied interests." We, for the most part, have respect for Rabbonim who show us that they are to be respected. Those mosdos that want to "whore" themselves to the monied interests will fail and fall, V'dal.
So, OT Dropout, fear not, as Truth, Justice and the Torah Way will prevail!
All nice and good comapring Rubashkin to Fisher, But the difference is the Rov of the beis Din told Moishe there is no need to go to a din torah.
Dear - Oh please! Let me say,
former - dropouts:
In a previous comment, I gave a
hypothetical example of an esteemed
Rav losing it, CH"V, and going into
McDonalds for a cheeseburger - Oh!
He just couldn't resist. Worse yet,
he jumps into a bonfire. Guess what?! He's doing both. Eat treif -
go you know where (Gehinnom - Try
THOSE bonfires - ouch!- 60 times worse.)Now, the same would apply
to other bad examples set by the
people you respect or used to respect(e.g loshon hora, fraud, etc.).
Okay my dear "dropout." Do you
want to incur the same punishment
as these guys? I would hope not.
The fact that it bothers you so
much means that you know better,
so it behooves you to continue
behaving according to Hashem's will. Please go back to school.
I mean, think about it. We seem to have forgotten something serious here. There is a reaction from on high to people who go against G-d's will, and it can be far from
pleasant. If you want to risk that
too - well, BE MY GUEST! Tell me
where that gets you? Fort Dix, CH"V.
Anonymous,
Fisher also had "His Rabbonim", Vaad Raboney Lubavitch, who told Fisher, he need not come to any Din Torah and can safely ignore Rabbi Osdoba c.v.
Same with Krinsky and Shemtov who spit in the face of Rabbi Osdoba when he called them to a Din Torah and Rabbi Osdoba put them into a Siruv "Loy Tzayis Dina", they too had their own private Beis Din, Vaad Raboney Lubavitch, who told them they can safely ignore Rabbi Osdoba c.v.
Likewise, Segal and Ruabshkin's fake excuses are destroying Kovod Harabbonim and making a mockery of Rabbonus, in the entire world.
In particular, Segal and Rubashkin are destroying the entire Badataz because they are "making fun" instead of responding as every frum Jew should, when called to a Din Torah of Zabla.
Segal and Rubashkin are destroying the entire community, with their Chutzpah, to not come to a Din Torah, because now everyone in the community will say:
"If Segal and Rubashkin's Chutzpah against the Mara Deasra's call for Din Torah, can be "acceptable", with lame excuses, then now, they have broken through the Derech for the rest of the community to also ignore all Din Torah's (by either one of the 2 elected Rabbonim) when they will be called, at any time in the future".
הדגשתי שאין בדברי אלה לשום צד הנני כותב לכולם בשווה
הנני מאמין בכל לבי שמחלוקת הוא דבר רע
לא דברתי שעל כל צד לוותר על משהו אבל כל א' יכול וצריך לעשות למגר מחלוקת
Anonymous,
You sound "so sweet" and so "sholomdik"!
Have you ever heard of something called "Hypocrisy"?
Here are some examples:
A Chazer, sticks out his Chazereshe Fislach to show that he is Kaviyochol "Kosher" and screams "Ma Pishei Umah Chatosi, why are you jumping on me to call me a Chazer"
The Arabs started all the Wars with Israel. They were always and still today, the Real "Baaley Machlokes". They keep on shooting, day in, day out vechulu and they say that their is kaviyochol, "TWO SIDES to the machlokes".
Every time the Arabs kill innocent Jews, the media reports it, but Bechada Machsa, even the "Tzadikim" the USA, says that their are "TWO TZEDADIM" and "both have to make sholom" - K'Ilu their is any Erech of the Rishus of the Reshaim, to the Tzidkus of the Hagana of the Yidden Lehavdil!
After starting every single war, when did the Arabs (Kaviyochol "Rodfey Sholom") come running to the UN, to make an "emergency UN, security council meeting" to call for an "immediate cease fire" and "sholom"?
Do you remember when it happened, each an every war?
As soon as the Arabs see that the Yidden are winning the war, with flying colors, and that their Evil is about to be totally annihilated, ONLY THEN they become the big "tzadikim" calling for "Sholom" and "cease fire".
The same is in our Shchuna today, as long as Katzman, Reitzes, Brook and Boimlegreen, said and did Kol Dovor Osur on the Mara Deasra, and did everything humanly possible to totally destroy the proper bilateral Badataz and the Mara Deasra, no one was running around, "calling the fire engines", to make an emergency "cease fire".
Only now, when the Tzad Hakdusha is finally about to be Menatzeach the Klipa, al pi shulchan aruch in court, as the Rebbe did with Barry, NOW the Tzad Haklipa woke up, like the Arabs when they loose the war, to scream "HAZTZILENI", save the Klipa before the Klipah is totally annihilated by the Courts - as when Moshiach comes, that their will be nothing left of the Klipah.
The very same Klipah who refuses a Din Torah, Davka they, out of all people, are now screaming "save us" "Mesira Mesira Mesira".
Fisher yelled exactly the same way, "mesira mesira mesira" "sholom sholom sholom" to Rabbi Marlow, when Rabbi Marlow ordered Fisher to be dragged into court for the same reason as Rubashkin.
לר' פרץ שליטא
אין לי מושג מה עשו אלו שהזכרת
ולא צעקתי מפני שלא הי'לי שום ידיעה מה קורה בשכונה הדרך שנודע לי היא האתר שלכם וגם הגיע לידי המכתבים של הרבנים א' לשני
לכן עכשיו שהנני קורה האתר שלכם וכן ראיתי באתרים אחרים מה שקורה הנני חושב שביחד עם תביעה ליושר וצדק יכולים לראות שלא יהי' "אש" מחלוקת
The Vaad owes Rabbi Schwei over 25,000.00 back pay. They claim they don't have money because of the elections expense and now the court case (wich should be paid from his pocket). But who knows, as long as the books are not open we won't know the real emes.
my problem is like this;
while everybody is worried about kovod horabonim and courtcases, why is nobody worried that Rabbi Shvei should be able to support his family.
he has not been paid already for an entire month, and he has been told that it is due to "lack of funds"
why is there money for everything else (including the salaries of 3 new rabonim) while there is no money to pay the existing rov his salary?!
Rubashkin and his cronies have gotten so desperate lately that I have heard lately that he is threatening to expose the former vaad hakohol for misappropriating 475k.
The former Vaad laughs at all of his stupid threats because unlike him they are clean.
If that's not enough, he's even sending anonymous Emails threatening to lock up Rabbi Shwei Shlita for some imaginary crime!
I think its time to take off the gloves and tell the truth about who this scoundrel is.
It has recently been discovered that a building that was bought by the previous Vaad on Kingston ave in order to expand on services for the CHJCC, has recently been sold in a private transaction between Rubashkin and a private contractor from Crown Heights.
In order to effectuate the sale he fraudulently signed as the authorizing officer even though he wasn't and has pocketed over 400k from this transaction!!!!!!!!!
None of that money ever made it to the accounts of the Council since the sale was a private sale. He has used the money for his private wars including the phony elections .
This a modern day robin hood who thinks that if he gives out charity with some of the money that it justifies stealing it.
This theft is much worse than anything Dovid Fisher did. The reason is simple.
Fisher himself purchased the properties and renovated them and looked for loans. Although he was acting as an agent of the community he felt that since he built it up, hes therefore some type of a partner in the deal.
Rubashkin, however had nothing to do with acquiring any property. He just simply misrepresented himself in a legal document and took all the proceeds for himself.
This only the tip of the iceberg. Chanina has an obligation to prosecute this case until the very end.
Yeah??? Well, that's only $400K being pocketed. Where's the rest of the $18 million Chanina and Nash are demanding in the law suit? That is only around 2%.
What gives Chanina and Nash the audacity to claim $18 million in damages?? The entire JCC budget is only $2.5 million. Their claim is a JOKE and frivolous!!
could nash win alone? now it will be 4 against 1?
thats crazy maybe he should drop out of it as well and join rubashkin like chanina did
Regrading Chanina's Position:
The fact that Rubashkin is a Crook, and uses the JCC's funds illegally, is a matter of FACT, which will not change, regardless if Chanina's name is on the case, or if someone else, will do the dirty work, to Clean CH from Rubashkin's Corruption.
If Chanina refuses to sign his name that "Sunday is Sunday", it doesn't mean that "Sunday is actually Monday" and it doesn't change any of the FACTS and his signature is totally unnecessary and totally irrelevant.
Likewise, if Chanina decides that he will not sign his personal name to prosecute any CH, criminal, that in it's self, doesn't mean he is not a criminal.
Chanina is not the DA!
Lets be perfectly clear about this:
If the case against Rubashkin would be the least bit hindered because Chanina's name is not on it, then Chanina would have an obligation to make sure that CH gets rid of the Corruption.
However the fact is, that the case, now moves just as well and even much quicker and much more effectively, without Chanina's involvement, the Community is much better off, to allow the case to move forward without Chanina, but rather, with the participation of Leibish Nash, many of the Netzigim and Anash in CH, who are now in the law suite against Rubashkin!
Any ONE of the members of the community can demand the Books from Rubashkin - it doesn't even have to be Nash (which it is) and it doesn't even have to be the Netzigim (which it is) because everyone is legally entitled to see the Books, which Rubashkin refuses to show, for obvious reasons.
It's well known that Politicians always use their influence to try and persuade people to do what they want. For this reason, Chanina's excellent Political connections makes Chanina, very vulnerable to Rubashkin's Political Terror campaign.
Now, that Chanina is out of the picture, Rubashkin is now totally powerless against all of Anash who are suing him!
If Rubashkin was Smart he would have made sure to keep Chanina on the case, so he can keep on Terrorizing Channina via all the Political Connections.
It's too late for Rubashkin now, he made a bad move by trying a smear campaign, not against Chanina but against Shochnei Ufor.
That was a stupid move for Rubashkin!
Rubashkin "Blinked" here!
The community is now much stronger in their case against Rubashkin, because Rubashkin chose a smear campaign against people who have already passed away!
baal tzedakah,
You got it wrong. It's not 1 against 4.
We have about 3,000 families in CH Kein Yirbu.
So the score now is 2997 against Rubashkin and the same 3 for Rubashkin.
Because Chanina, still holds, Rubashkin to be a Crook, he's just not using his signature because it isn't at all required, in order to win the case.
baal tzedakah said...
could nash win alone? now it will be 4 against 1?
thats crazy maybe he should drop out of it as well and join rubashkin like chanina did
Look just because they get the books open now, how will that change the rabbonim?
Who cares about the books?
What's this really for?
I believe you, that YOU and Rubashkin, don't care, but most C.H. residents care that the Mara Deasra, Harav Schwei Shelita, DIDN'T GET PAID from Rubashkin because Rubashkin STOLE all the money!
The books will prove it and as we get rid the "Chief Rabbonim Machlokes Macher", Rubashkin, at least the Rabbonim will begin to get paid and respected FAIRLY and EVENLY, as they both deserve.
Why the books?
The books simply show the truth!
The books helps put Machloikes to rest, because all the people who are innocent will be proven innocent and the guilty will be forced to "take a hike" and stop Making Machlokes all day, against the Mara Deasra, Rubashkin Style.
Machlokes doesn't just happen. Someone (Rubashkin) is MAKING the Machlokes, Without the "Machlokes Macher, Rubashkin," their will be no Machlokes, (at least not anywhere nearly as bad) as Rubashkin made it now.
To Rubbashkin's Supporters:
I had said to begin with that his theft of the property represents only a tip of the iceberg.
And even if it were 400k, are you defending Rubashkin's right to steal 400k?
We do not want to itemize overhearer , since we do NOT want to see him go to jail.
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Rubashkin Supporter said...
Yeah??? Well, that's only $400K being pocketed. Where's the rest of the $18 million Chanina and Nash are demanding in the law suit? That is only around 2%.
What gives Chanina and Nash the audacity to claim $18 million in damages?? The entire JCC budget is only $2.5 million. Their claim is a JOKE and frivolous!!
the real court case will be at the next election for the vaad hakohol
we will see who the community wants
if rubashkin or chanin and nash will get in
i think we should have emergency elections and the community should vote who they want to be on the vaad
Just for the record you wont be able to get more then 500 people to sign to go to court.
baal tzedakah,
I have news for you.
We already have a whole lot more than 500 and it's just the beginning.
The tide has turned and everyone now realizes that it stinks from all sides and no one, no longer wants to be associated, with the Corrupt Association.
"They Know It" and that's why they are now running around like "Farsamte Mize" (Poisoned Mice, who realize their end has come) desperately trying the most ridiculous and most outrageous ways in a most desperate effort to salvage their sinking boat, of their Racket and Corruption.
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