Netzigim Explain why they Joined the Court Case against Rubashkin, in accordance with the PSAK DIN of the Mara Deasra Harav Schwei Shelita
posted by DaasHakohol @ Monday, June 19, 2006
11 comments
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11 Comments:
A father of nine; a seventeen year old boy; יבלח"ט, a 4 year old boy hit by a car!
We all must feel the pain and scream AD MOSAI.
But maybe...
That is not enough. Maybe we need to stop the imbecilic fighting. Sure, everyone has good points but nothing can be worth suffering these devestating losses.
Why can't we restrain ourselves and stop stealing; trying to get each other arrested; running to goyim to solve our problems; speaking disparagingly of our Rabbonim?
Let's try to reprogram ourselves to act speak and blog in a manner that is responsible and be noheg koved zeh lazeh and certainly to our rabonim.
I know that I really need some time to think and think and think.
hOW SAD THAT yISROEL bEST AND yISROEL LANDA TWIST WORDS AROUND.
tHE mORAH dEASRAH RABBI OSDOBA SAID THAT THEY MAY NOT GO TO COURT ABOUT THIS MATTER.
introsepctive,
The only way to solve machlokes is by Zabala.
The quicker people can get that through their head the faster ALL the Machlokes in Schuna will be hystory.
Any other alternative except Zabla will keep this Machlokes Blazing FOREVER!
Sadly, people who know they are wrong, refuse Zabla.
Why be so "Akshonus'dik" about "Davka" "Af Tzuloches" - Davka not using Zabla?
Can YOU think of any HONEST reason? ? ?
Why?
Only because Zabla is not corruptable.
How can anyone state that Fischer stole from the kehila when he never had a fair Beis Din?
To The propaganda buster
That "Fisher stole" etc. this is not a statement from a "Psak Din" from ANY Rav, obviously since Fisher Refused a Din Torah of Zabla (after Rabbi Marlow approved Zabla). Fisher even refused to sho the Books just like Rubashkin.
The allegations against Fisher, stated "as a matter of fact" comes from all the Plaintiffs (which is the entire Kehila and their Representative Netzigim and Vaad Hakohol's).
A Rav can't make a statement saying that "he holds that Fisher Stole", not until he hears the Case and the evidence etc.
However you are forgetting that before a case is even summoned to to Beis Din, to even consider if to hear the case IT ALL STARTS WITH A PLAINTIFF, first.
The Plaintiff, is not the Judge and he is not the Jury and he is Not a Rav. The Plaintiff is simply a Plaintiff and the reason a Plaintiff is a Plaintiff is because HE FEELS CONFIDENT and SURE that Fisher is Guilty, and that's exactly his reason for calling him to a Din Torah and or to Civil Court.
Is SO OBVIOUS that their is absolutely nothing wrong with the Plaintiff (i.e. the entire Kehila) believing in the merits of their case and feeling that they are 100% in the right and the Fisher is 100% in the wrong.
Nothing wrong with that feeling or statement. In fact that's exactly how the system is SUPPOSED TO WORK.
Same is true with a Police officer who makes and arrest or the DA who prosecutes. Their is nothing wrong with the fact that the Police and or DA is 100% convinced with certainty in the merits of his case, that the Defendant is for SURE Guilty.
It's only for the COURT and for the Judge to remain open minded and THEY have to consider the defendant "innocent until proven guilty", but every other citizen and the DA himself (a government employee!) is perfectly within their rights to feel sure, with CERTAINTY, that Fisher is Guilty based on the information which they believe to be true.
What are you talking about?
Rabbi Schwei's Beis Din gave them permission to go to Court!
Nothing "sad" here except that it would have to come to this if people had the human decency to come to a Beis Din of ZABLA.
Because they refuse Zabla, so their is no choice but to drag Rubashkin to court.
It's all Rubashkin's fault 100%.
Anonymous said...
hOW SAD THAT yISROEL bEST AND yISROEL LANDA TWIST WORDS AROUND.
tHE mORAH dEASRAH RABBI OSDOBA SAID THAT THEY MAY NOT GO TO COURT ABOUT THIS MATTER.
Introspective:
You know when, exactly, all the tragedy happened?
When Segal Put Out his letter calling for a "Rodef" HIT on the heads of those whom he dislikes.
As soon as Segal sent that "RODEF Machlokes Letter", to COL, at the exact SAME MOMENT, is when all the Tragedies happened last Friday!
Segals Letter coincides with the 4 year old being Hit by a Car - EXACT TIMING! (and then the other tragedies that followed)
When will Segal and Rubashkin learn to stop their Machlokes?
It's SO EASY to stop the Machlokes!
All the Rubashkin/Segal Machlokes Machers, have to do, is go to Zabla Beis Din - and ALL MACHLOKES in CH is ENDED in one second!
Introspective said...
A father of nine; a seventeen year old boy; יבלח"ט, a 4 year old boy hit by a car!
We all must feel the pain and scream AD MOSAI.
But maybe...
That is not enough?
אלעס יענעם
?
The machlokes will continue as long as Rubashkin is in the Vaad.
He makes Fishser look like a Tzaddik
I have yet to hear one good reason why Rubashkin and Segal should not go to Zabla.
According to Rabbi Osdoba their is NO SIN "No Avera" for Segal and Rubashkin to got to Zabla.
Rabbi Osdoba only said that he doesn't "HAVE TO GO" to Zabla but certainly he MAY do whatever he wants, their is no "prohibition" of anyone going to Zabla.
So since we can all enjoy PERFECT PEACE if they Go to Zabla...
Why is Rubashkin and Segal so FARAKSHENED to DAVKA refuse Zabla which would end all Machlokes?
Zabla can never be CORRUPT or "one sided".
What is Segal and Rubashkin so SCARED of to go to Zabla?
Why does TRUE JUSTICE, scare them so much?
Are they SUCH BIG CRIMINALS that they fear Justice SO MUCH?
how sad is the story.
how come mr. eichles brother in law is going agains him so open ?
are we back in the kill fischer days ?
family is broken to pices brother against brother etc. ?
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